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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/10/sdtimes-on-mono-development/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Those are good questions! Especially when you make the point on how to distinguish some effort from Novell vs. individual employees deciding on C#. I feel I could construct a well-reasoned argument, but I&#039;m not so sure I could provide hard evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Those are good questions! Especially when you make the point on how to distinguish some effort from Novell vs. individual employees deciding on C#. I feel I could construct a well-reasoned argument, but I&#8217;m not so sure I could provide hard evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Halse Rogers</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/10/sdtimes-on-mono-development/comment-page-1/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Halse Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latter.  Certainly Novell promotes Mono as a part of its SuSE enterprise marketing, but from browsing their website this seems to be aimed at &quot;you can move all your existing developers to linux, get better hardware support and lower costs!&quot;.  What evidence is there that Novell, the company, is promoting adoption of Mono into GNOME?  Is the fact that Novell employees are writing software that is good enough to displace the current GNOME software for inclusion, or fills some lack in GNOME evidence for this premise?  How would you distinguish this from individual Novell employees determining that C# is the most appropriate language for a new project?

It&#039;s entirely possible that there is evidence for this &quot;strong promotion&quot; thesis.  I don&#039;t know of any, however I haven&#039;t searched extensively.  For projects where replacing existing GNOME functionality was clearly a goal (gnome-main-menu, gnome-control-centre), Novell employees have used C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latter.  Certainly Novell promotes Mono as a part of its SuSE enterprise marketing, but from browsing their website this seems to be aimed at &#8220;you can move all your existing developers to linux, get better hardware support and lower costs!&#8221;.  What evidence is there that Novell, the company, is promoting adoption of Mono into GNOME?  Is the fact that Novell employees are writing software that is good enough to displace the current GNOME software for inclusion, or fills some lack in GNOME evidence for this premise?  How would you distinguish this from individual Novell employees determining that C# is the most appropriate language for a new project?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s entirely possible that there is evidence for this &#8220;strong promotion&#8221; thesis.  I don&#8217;t know of any, however I haven&#8217;t searched extensively.  For projects where replacing existing GNOME functionality was clearly a goal (gnome-main-menu, gnome-control-centre), Novell employees have used C.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/10/sdtimes-on-mono-development/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Thanks for the comments!

One question: are you saying that Novell is &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; deliberately promoting Mono? Or that they are promoting Mono, but not by developing compelling applications that require it?

I wasn&#039;t aware that anyone held the opinion that Novell was &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; deliberately promoting Mono, including developing applications (and plug-ins) that rely on mono. If people actually hold that opinion I would like to address it directly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments!</p>
<p>One question: are you saying that Novell is <strong>not</strong> deliberately promoting Mono? Or that they are promoting Mono, but not by developing compelling applications that require it?</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware that anyone held the opinion that Novell was <strong>not</strong> deliberately promoting Mono, including developing applications (and plug-ins) that rely on mono. If people actually hold that opinion I would like to address it directly!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Halse Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Halse Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might also be worth noting that Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is [i]also[/i] now vice president of emerging platforms at Sun Microsystems.  This is a useful piece of attribution to have when taking the quote before &quot;I think it&#039;s very premature to say that Mono/.NET development has leapfrogged Java development on Linux, by a long shot.&quot;

That doesn&#039;t negate his actual point - Novell may well be deliberately promoting Mono by encouraging the development of compelling applications that require it.  I&#039;m not aware of any evidence for this, however, any more than Canonical is deliberately promoting Python by writing lots of apps in it.  The fact that Novell also develops apps in other languages (Evolution, gnome-main-menu, gnome-control-center) might suggest that they are trying to use an appropriate language for the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might also be worth noting that Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is [i]also[/i] now vice president of emerging platforms at Sun Microsystems.  This is a useful piece of attribution to have when taking the quote before &#8220;I think it&#8217;s very premature to say that Mono/.NET development has leapfrogged Java development on Linux, by a long shot.&#8221;</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t negate his actual point &#8211; Novell may well be deliberately promoting Mono by encouraging the development of compelling applications that require it.  I&#8217;m not aware of any evidence for this, however, any more than Canonical is deliberately promoting Python by writing lots of apps in it.  The fact that Novell also develops apps in other languages (Evolution, gnome-main-menu, gnome-control-center) might suggest that they are trying to use an appropriate language for the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Halse Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Halse Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#comment-body-46&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-46&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dan Serban&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
                  
         
         
         I’d love to see some statistics on how many Mono apps are actually actively developed outside the umbrella of Mono-friendly distros.
By Mono-friendly distros I mean openSUSE and Ubuntu.
Please correct my facts on this if I’m wrong:
- Lead devs for Tomboy, F-Spot and Banshee = Novell employees.
- Lead dev for GnomeDo = Canonical employee.
Please add to this list if you have detailed knowledge on other Mono apps.
         &lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
       &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Of course, GNOME Do was initially developed as a final year University computer science project, and David has only recently been hired by Canonical.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-46" rel="nofollow">Dan Serban</a> :</strong></p>
<p>         I’d love to see some statistics on how many Mono apps are actually actively developed outside the umbrella of Mono-friendly distros.<br />
By Mono-friendly distros I mean openSUSE and Ubuntu.<br />
Please correct my facts on this if I’m wrong:<br />
- Lead devs for Tomboy, F-Spot and Banshee = Novell employees.<br />
- Lead dev for GnomeDo = Canonical employee.<br />
Please add to this list if you have detailed knowledge on other Mono apps.<br />
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<p>Of course, GNOME Do was initially developed as a final year University computer science project, and David has only recently been hired by Canonical.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
This is a very good question. I have been looking into some Windows &quot;Open Source&quot; projects, and some are quite dismissive of mono.

There are a few that Team Mono has targeted which have good mono support, and a few that seem to shrug and say &quot;if it works on mono, great, if not I don&#039;t care&quot;, and a few that are actually hostile to mono.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
This is a very good question. I have been looking into some Windows &#8220;Open Source&#8221; projects, and some are quite dismissive of mono.</p>
<p>There are a few that Team Mono has targeted which have good mono support, and a few that seem to shrug and say &#8220;if it works on mono, great, if not I don&#8217;t care&#8221;, and a few that are actually hostile to mono.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Serban</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/10/sdtimes-on-mono-development/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Serban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see some statistics on how many Mono apps are actually actively developed outside the umbrella of Mono-friendly distros.
By Mono-friendly distros I mean openSUSE and Ubuntu.
Please correct my facts on this if I&#039;m wrong:
- Lead devs for Tomboy, F-Spot and Banshee = Novell employees.
- Lead dev for GnomeDo = Canonical employee.
Please add to this list if you have detailed knowledge on other Mono apps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see some statistics on how many Mono apps are actually actively developed outside the umbrella of Mono-friendly distros.<br />
By Mono-friendly distros I mean openSUSE and Ubuntu.<br />
Please correct my facts on this if I&#8217;m wrong:<br />
- Lead devs for Tomboy, F-Spot and Banshee = Novell employees.<br />
- Lead dev for GnomeDo = Canonical employee.<br />
Please add to this list if you have detailed knowledge on other Mono apps.</p>
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