Btw, Np237, if you want to be friends with Sam maybe you should stop calling him a toxic person. Maybe that helps.

(Never mind that you call me toxic too, that got boring already and I forgive you. Really!)

It is not possible for me to be less interested in your ongoing feud with Roy or Boycott Novell. I do not care about your drama.

(I also don’t appreciate the crazies you bring with you – my comment moderation queue is full up with some stonemirror/impath craziness about you that I am quite honestly scared to even start researching.)

The links are there. They refer to Mono. That is what you requested and that is what I delivered. Rationalize them how you like. If you don’t think I met your requirements, fine. I care nothing for your satisfaction.

It’s about time for you to run along back to beating the drum of sexism or trolling Boycott Novell or threatening to sue people or whatever it is you do to amuse yourself these days.

You have had ample opportunity here to speak on your own behalf. That you squandered it is your failing, not mine. I think there is enough information here and in the links for people to inform themselves and come to a conclusion that satisfies them.

By and large we are having a constructive dialogue on this site – a massive accomplishment given how controversial and polarizing the topic is – and there’s really nothing you can add to that, except serving as a case study.

Let me stress that, in case you didn’t get it: You are not setting the example, you are serving as an example. And your purpose has been served.

When I come over to your blog and start dropping snark and defecating all over the comments, feel free to level the same criticism at me.

Thanks so much and I wish you the same continued success in your future endeavors.

Jason :

If you can find links to “several” entries on my blog relating to Mono, please produce them.

As you wish:
When Zeal Becomes Zealotry: A Tawdry Tale
A Good GCDS Beginning (with a significant disappointment)
Me, Niether
Will that do or would you like the goalposts moved somewhere?

That’s not very impressive, Jason. That’s the article I mentioned, and–as I pointed out when I mentioned it–it’s not about Mono, it’s about Roy Schestowitz, and his scummy approach to making his “case” against Mono. There’s a difference.

I don’t care much about Mono. I care a lot about my boss being pestered by anti-Mono cretins because I’ve told someone posting off-topic, anti-Mono flames to the ubuntu-devel list to knock it off. I really get excited about it when I turn up evidence, in the form of a digitally-signed email, that shows that Roy orchestrated the entire thing (while simultaneously telling me to my face that he “didn’t know” the person responsible.

Do you see the difference there?

If there is a user ID attached to a user, a discussion tends to become a criticizing game. This is exactly the sort of thing I have notice in this very web log. On the other hand, under the anonymous system, even though your opinion/information is criticized, you don’t know with whom to be upset.

Under a perfectly anonymous system, you can say, “it’s boring,” if it is actually boring. All information is treated equally; only accurate arguments will work.

So yeah, RMS did use language that caused offense . That shouldn’t really affect his point that it’s better for the free software community to not depend upon C#.

Lefty,

Words have no power to offend in and of themselves; whatever power they have is given to them by the one who claims to be offended.

We can claim to be offended by anything at all. As a matter of fact, I happen to be offended by your claim to be offended by what I consider to be a manufactured claim of sexism. Is it your fault that I’m offended? No; I could simply shrug it off, and then it wouldn’t offend me anymore. I’m offended because I’ve taken it upon myself to be offended, for what I think are good reasons; and the same goes for you, I’m sure.

So that’s where we’re at: you’re offended by what you perceive to be Stallman’s sexism; I’m offended by what I perceive to be your false and opportunistic indignation. But you’re not obliged to stop claiming to be offended by Stallman in order to stop offending me; and Stallman isn’t obliged to stop doing his spoof on the Virgin Mary in order to stop offending you.

We both could simply shrug it off. But something tells me you won’t, and that the reason has nothing to do with this rather spurious claim of sexism.

Politics has always been at the core of the disagreements with him. You can see it during every Q&A session at the end of every speech he’s ever given. At least one questioner will always say something to the effect of:

“But I wanna make a living as a programmer doing exciting stuff and that most likely means doing proprietary stuff for a company with a budget! Waaa!!”

To which he explains that their preconceptions are unfounded; but of course they don’t get it, so he tells them they’re free to do proprietary stuff if they like, but it’s immoral for reasons 0, 1, 2 & 3.

And so they stalk out of the room and sulk all the way home and begin to foster a hatred of Richard Stallman and his pesky morality and his bloody “Free Software” movement.

Those are the people currently salivating over his alleged sexist remark. Seriously, where have these people been? He’s been doing that silly routine for ages. And have they never heard of Jesus, the alleged son of Yahweh, and his allegedly virginal mother? Can they not see the connection there? Do they not GET THE JOKE?! OK, so it’s a lame joke, but give me a bleeping break with this “sexism” nonsense! Just come out in the open with your true agenda.

If Np237 verifies and really cares enough to get my opinion, I’ll read up and render my verdict – I doubt he does though, he seems like he’s a big boy and not much in need of my validation.

On the quote from Sam to Miguel, I will say that use of “Senor” and in some other heated posts Mr. Varghese sometimes employees language that I would not be comfortable using – drawing attention to people’s ethnic or racial background. Personally, I wouldn’t go there.

But, then again, not all can be as Shakesperian in their criticism as your Humble Host.

I think Np237 was talking about http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22320/1090/1/0/

There was one on Miguel as well – http://www.itwire.com/content/view/17200/1090/1/0/ (I quote “Maybe de Icaza needs a good English dictionary. Senor, please provide me your address and I will send the starving free software developer a copy of the Oxford Dictionary, the same as the one I use.”)

@Np237: I’ve been following your writing for a while and can’t help but agree with you. While I disagree with Jason’s thoughts on mono, I’ve conversed with him over email and he’s a really nice guy and seems to be more interested in debates and reaching a consensus. Might not matter much in the current scenario but I thought I’d put it out there.

Ah. Sorry then, I’m not aware of that situation.