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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should learn to listen to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;people who know better&lt;/a&gt;, but...

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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-821&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;neighborlee&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
                  
         
         
         Your choice of name for this respin is certainly interesting,     would you care to share your reasons for choosing it  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly. It&#039;s a wonderful, fantastical name for three reasons:
* It abbreviates to &quot;CLR&quot;. The CLR, or Common Language Runtime, is one of the core parts of an ECMA335 implementation
* Given my use of one of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Monkey_Island&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plunder Island&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; feral chickens as my avatar, the chicken link is well-established
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sky_Is_Falling_%28fable%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Sky Is Falling&lt;/a&gt; is an excellent fable, and the screams of imminent disaster are well-served by reading it, given Mono&#039;s creation in 2001, inclusion in Debian in 2002, and inclusion in Ubuntu by default in 2006

&lt;blockquote&gt;Your comment  in last paragraph about the paranoid amoung us, only serves to show your continued , laughable lack of sinerity about all of this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I say &quot;the paranoid amongst us&quot;, I specifically refer to people who would &quot;look a gift horse in the mouth&quot;. Sound like anyone you know? Obviously I&#039;m not &quot;sincere&quot; with CLR, since I strongly feel that Mono is no greater risk than anything else on a desktop - but, to help prove a few points, I invested an hour (70 minutes, truth be told, including downloading the unmodified ISO and one false start). It was worth the investment, if nothing else because the price I charge for feature requests (which would include the i386 ISO) is worth charging.

I&#039;ve taken a different route, and said &quot;here is a gift horse. Hey, ever heard of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/westnilevirus/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;West Nile Virus&lt;/a&gt;? Just sayin&#039;...&quot;. It is up to the end user to determine whether they think a gift horse from a &quot;bad&quot; person is likely to come pre-infected, and I just want to make people fully aware of exactly which electronic trust they are undertaking, from whom, and which violations of that trust are technically feasible. The paranoid will assume the worst.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But you know what Jo, it does not matter, because Fedora is leading the way to real ‘choice’, something it seems debian/ubuntu have no clue about ; and further,  I suspect ‘chicks’ will feel safe there as well .
         &lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
       &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, to clarify, &quot;real choice&quot; means &quot;the lack of choice _I_ want&quot;, right? In which case, what&#039;s wrong with CLR? Surely it&#039;s exactly what you people have been demanding (yet not bothering to do yourselves) for months if not years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should learn to listen to <a href="http://www.donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/" rel="nofollow">people who know better</a>, but&#8230;</p>
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<strong><a href="#comment-821" rel="nofollow">neighborlee</a> :</strong></p>
<p>         Your choice of name for this respin is certainly interesting,     would you care to share your reasons for choosing it  </p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly. It&#8217;s a wonderful, fantastical name for three reasons:<br />
* It abbreviates to &#8220;CLR&#8221;. The CLR, or Common Language Runtime, is one of the core parts of an ECMA335 implementation<br />
* Given my use of one of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Monkey_Island" rel="nofollow">Plunder Island&#8217;s</a> feral chickens as my avatar, the chicken link is well-established<br />
* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sky_Is_Falling_%28fable%29" rel="nofollow">The Sky Is Falling</a> is an excellent fable, and the screams of imminent disaster are well-served by reading it, given Mono&#8217;s creation in 2001, inclusion in Debian in 2002, and inclusion in Ubuntu by default in 2006</p>
<blockquote><p>Your comment  in last paragraph about the paranoid amoung us, only serves to show your continued , laughable lack of sinerity about all of this.</p></blockquote>
<p>When I say &#8220;the paranoid amongst us&#8221;, I specifically refer to people who would &#8220;look a gift horse in the mouth&#8221;. Sound like anyone you know? Obviously I&#8217;m not &#8220;sincere&#8221; with CLR, since I strongly feel that Mono is no greater risk than anything else on a desktop &#8211; but, to help prove a few points, I invested an hour (70 minutes, truth be told, including downloading the unmodified ISO and one false start). It was worth the investment, if nothing else because the price I charge for feature requests (which would include the i386 ISO) is worth charging.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken a different route, and said &#8220;here is a gift horse. Hey, ever heard of <a href="http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/westnilevirus/index.htm" rel="nofollow">West Nile Virus</a>? Just sayin&#8217;&#8230;&#8221;. It is up to the end user to determine whether they think a gift horse from a &#8220;bad&#8221; person is likely to come pre-infected, and I just want to make people fully aware of exactly which electronic trust they are undertaking, from whom, and which violations of that trust are technically feasible. The paranoid will assume the worst.</p>
<blockquote><p>But you know what Jo, it does not matter, because Fedora is leading the way to real ‘choice’, something it seems debian/ubuntu have no clue about ; and further,  I suspect ‘chicks’ will feel safe there as well .<br />
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<p>So, to clarify, &#8220;real choice&#8221; means &#8220;the lack of choice _I_ want&#8221;, right? In which case, what&#8217;s wrong with CLR? Surely it&#8217;s exactly what you people have been demanding (yet not bothering to do yourselves) for months if not years?</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s helped me prove a point, meaning it was worth the hour&#039;s investment.</description>
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		<title>By: zekopeko</title>
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		<dc:creator>zekopeko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo did something that nobody amongst you complaining about mono even bothered to *try* doing. Talk about being ungrateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo did something that nobody amongst you complaining about mono even bothered to *try* doing. Talk about being ungrateful.</p>
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		<title>By: neighborlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>neighborlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your choice of name for this respin is certainly interesting,     would you care to share your reasons for choosing it :)

Your comment  in last paragraph about the paranoid amoung us, only serves to show your continued , laughable lack of sinerity about all of this.

But you know what Jo, it does not matter, because Fedora is leading the way to real &#039;choice&#039;, something it seems debian/ubuntu have no clue about ; and further,  I suspect &#039;chicks&#039; will feel safe there as well .

cheers
nl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your choice of name for this respin is certainly interesting,     would you care to share your reasons for choosing it <img src='http://mono-nono.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Your comment  in last paragraph about the paranoid amoung us, only serves to show your continued , laughable lack of sinerity about all of this.</p>
<p>But you know what Jo, it does not matter, because Fedora is leading the way to real &#8216;choice&#8217;, something it seems debian/ubuntu have no clue about ; and further,  I suspect &#8216;chicks&#8217; will feel safe there as well .</p>
<p>cheers<br />
nl</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this was worthwhile, if nothing else because it means a sick kid gets a game to play.</description>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Test checks out. scp&#039;ing home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Test checks out. scp&#8217;ing home.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5dc36493376d0c0ada8641d959e4cd2a  chickenlittle32.iso

Needs testing, SCP&#039;ing home, and torrenting

Still not sure if the torrent works, I&#039;m seemingly not marked as a seeder on TPB :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5dc36493376d0c0ada8641d959e4cd2a  chickenlittle32.iso</p>
<p>Needs testing, SCP&#8217;ing home, and torrenting</p>
<p>Still not sure if the torrent works, I&#8217;m seemingly not marked as a seeder on TPB :/</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jo,

Done. I got a Clue, Jr. game for NC, because:

1. That is where I am originally from.
2. Clue is the one of the coolest games ever.
3. The movie was pretty rocking too.</description>
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<p>Done. I got a Clue, Jr. game for NC, because:</p>
<p>1. That is where I am originally from.<br />
2. Clue is the one of the coolest games ever.<br />
3. The movie was pretty rocking too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be convinced to repeat the procedure for an i386 ISO, but it sounds like lots and lots of effort.

Demonstration of clicking on the map on http://childsplaycharity.org/ would be EXTREMELY motivating for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be convinced to repeat the procedure for an i386 ISO, but it sounds like lots and lots of effort.</p>
<p>Demonstration of clicking on the map on <a href="http://childsplaycharity.org/" rel="nofollow">http://childsplaycharity.org/</a> would be EXTREMELY motivating for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Serban</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/20/fsf-on-microsofts-empty-promise/comment-page-2/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Serban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>64-bit? Oh ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64-bit? Oh &#8230;</p>
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