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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/10/mono-and-net/comment-page-1/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#comment-body-1197&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shinigami&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
                  
         
         
         I  dont have linux installed right now
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Well bugger me sideways, you surely ARE the one true leader of the Free Software community</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-1197" rel="nofollow">shinigami</a> :</strong></p>
<p>         I  dont have linux installed right now<br />
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<p>Well bugger me sideways, you surely ARE the one true leader of the Free Software community</p>
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		<title>By: shinigami</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/10/mono-and-net/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>shinigami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it really matter, all of this chatter,- now that mono and its enforcers are destined into obscurity,  via now at least two distributions refusing to ship with it , and the strong stance of the FSF etal ?

I suspect ubuntu and others may follow , now apparantly  at least since Mark is considering inching his way towards acceptance of kde and hopefully , [USE: -mono] . One would really hate to see gnome left alone supporting mono, but if thats their fate who are we to resist . May fate smile on those who bear the burden of full disclosure  and unwavering commitment to freedom. 

I also want to take the time to make a huge reference to something that may have gone unnoticed , but brought to my attention through a friend:

&quot;  MonoDevelop can be used to develop ASP.NET MVC applications on OSX and Linux and Silverlight applications on OSX and Linux  &quot; &amp;

&quot;  In fact, I was discussing how promoting Silverlight development in no way whatsoever helps Microsoft lock-in  &quot;

It is intriguing you mention that:

http://stargate.mgm.com/photosynth/index.html

I see plenty of lock-in ( where in other news: we see lock-out to thwart conversation ) here and it&#039;s a sad day for users of free Opearting Systems that are there for reasons which we dont really need to go into here, suffice to say they are now second class citizens if their intent is to remains fans of certain publicly viewable entities apparantly :) Whatever the intent was, the result is undeniable because while said friend tried to get it working through the &#039;mono links&#039; , it never did. I think they gave up, and I  dont have linux installed right now ,but suffice to say its not the cross-platform friendliness it was ever meant to be it would seem. I had more friends verify on their ends, and it didn&#039;t work in their choice of distributions either, and if your mileage varies, feel free to report it, but so far I&#039;ve not had any replies  from mgm.

How ironic huh-

The very people the almighty mono/Microsoft camp wish to include through shouts of equality and &#039;promise&#039;, are the very ones being shunned. Is this why Fedora restricted use of moonlight ?

I imagine some around here are gloating and with no surprise whatsoever as the signs were longgg ago forthcoming if you were paying attention.

I suspect the FSF is, as well as fedora and GnewSense [ though I disagree with other things they do ] for their common sense approach to this whole sad affair. I wonder if its too late for Ubuntu, but I wonder if the time will come when no one will care, because trust has been shattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it really matter, all of this chatter,- now that mono and its enforcers are destined into obscurity,  via now at least two distributions refusing to ship with it , and the strong stance of the FSF etal ?</p>
<p>I suspect ubuntu and others may follow , now apparantly  at least since Mark is considering inching his way towards acceptance of kde and hopefully , [USE: -mono] . One would really hate to see gnome left alone supporting mono, but if thats their fate who are we to resist . May fate smile on those who bear the burden of full disclosure  and unwavering commitment to freedom. </p>
<p>I also want to take the time to make a huge reference to something that may have gone unnoticed , but brought to my attention through a friend:</p>
<p>&#8221;  MonoDevelop can be used to develop ASP.NET MVC applications on OSX and Linux and Silverlight applications on OSX and Linux  &#8221; &amp;</p>
<p>&#8221;  In fact, I was discussing how promoting Silverlight development in no way whatsoever helps Microsoft lock-in  &#8221;</p>
<p>It is intriguing you mention that:</p>
<p><a href="http://stargate.mgm.com/photosynth/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://stargate.mgm.com/photosynth/index.html</a></p>
<p>I see plenty of lock-in ( where in other news: we see lock-out to thwart conversation ) here and it&#8217;s a sad day for users of free Opearting Systems that are there for reasons which we dont really need to go into here, suffice to say they are now second class citizens if their intent is to remains fans of certain publicly viewable entities apparantly <img src='http://mono-nono.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Whatever the intent was, the result is undeniable because while said friend tried to get it working through the &#8216;mono links&#8217; , it never did. I think they gave up, and I  dont have linux installed right now ,but suffice to say its not the cross-platform friendliness it was ever meant to be it would seem. I had more friends verify on their ends, and it didn&#8217;t work in their choice of distributions either, and if your mileage varies, feel free to report it, but so far I&#8217;ve not had any replies  from mgm.</p>
<p>How ironic huh-</p>
<p>The very people the almighty mono/Microsoft camp wish to include through shouts of equality and &#8216;promise&#8217;, are the very ones being shunned. Is this why Fedora restricted use of moonlight ?</p>
<p>I imagine some around here are gloating and with no surprise whatsoever as the signs were longgg ago forthcoming if you were paying attention.</p>
<p>I suspect the FSF is, as well as fedora and GnewSense [ though I disagree with other things they do ] for their common sense approach to this whole sad affair. I wonder if its too late for Ubuntu, but I wonder if the time will come when no one will care, because trust has been shattered.</p>
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		<title>By: seller_liar</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/10/mono-and-net/comment-page-1/#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator>seller_liar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fix : It&#039;s not every people which uses .NET .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fix : It&#8217;s not every people which uses .NET .</p>
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		<title>By: seller_liar</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/10/mono-and-net/comment-page-1/#comment-1192</link>
		<dc:creator>seller_liar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey trolls ,I know the real intentions from novell .It&#039;s recommend .NET instead mono for windows .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey trolls ,I know the real intentions from novell .It&#8217;s recommend .NET instead mono for windows .</p>
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		<title>By: seller_liar</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/10/mono-and-net/comment-page-1/#comment-1191</link>
		<dc:creator>seller_liar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don t have .NET installed .It&#039;s every people which have ..NET installed. Recommend proprietary software to run free software is a mistake. 


Novell does not even cite .NET alternatives or tips to run using mono for windows. Novell does not even recommend to using mono to run monodevelop.

Mono for windows have gtk# installed because this is large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don t have .NET installed .It&#8217;s every people which have ..NET installed. Recommend proprietary software to run free software is a mistake. </p>
<p>Novell does not even cite .NET alternatives or tips to run using mono for windows. Novell does not even recommend to using mono to run monodevelop.</p>
<p>Mono for windows have gtk# installed because this is large.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But novell still promotes .NET instead mono .&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;ve seen Jo&#039;s reply?  Why make people download an additional 77Mb when they&#039;ve already got a compatible CLR+Framework sitting on their machines?  And one that&#039;s auto-updated by the vendor, too...

... look, I&#039;m sure that Novell could put up a link that says &quot;Hey, if you want to burn some bandwidth, download this totally unnecessary additional package&quot;, but do you think anyone would click on it?

&lt;blockquote&gt;And java is better in a global situation is a valid argument.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it isn&#039;t.  In my experience, &quot;global&quot; situations occur precisely never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But novell still promotes .NET instead mono .</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;ve seen Jo&#8217;s reply?  Why make people download an additional 77Mb when they&#8217;ve already got a compatible CLR+Framework sitting on their machines?  And one that&#8217;s auto-updated by the vendor, too&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; look, I&#8217;m sure that Novell could put up a link that says &#8220;Hey, if you want to burn some bandwidth, download this totally unnecessary additional package&#8221;, but do you think anyone would click on it?</p>
<blockquote><p>And java is better in a global situation is a valid argument.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it isn&#8217;t.  In my experience, &#8220;global&#8221; situations occur precisely never.</p>
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		<title>By: seller_liar</title>
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		<dc:creator>seller_liar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But novell still promotes .NET instead mono .

And  java is better in a global situation is a valid argument.</description>
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<p>And  java is better in a global situation is a valid argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/10/mono-and-net/comment-page-1/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Windows people use MS.NET than Mono. The Windows version using MS.NET proves a point more than anything else - that Mono apps are cross-platform (even big complex apps), and the fact that you can run the same executable under Mono only proves that point further</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Windows people use MS.NET than Mono. The Windows version using MS.NET proves a point more than anything else &#8211; that Mono apps are cross-platform (even big complex apps), and the fact that you can run the same executable under Mono only proves that point further</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a significantly more sane line of reasoning than &quot;Java si teh bettar&quot; as seen above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a significantly more sane line of reasoning than &#8220;Java si teh bettar&#8221; as seen above.</p>
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		<title>By: seller_liar</title>
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		<dc:creator>seller_liar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe C# is superior in some languages technologies. But java have a lot more of libraries and the Sun implementation is free. Sun does not attack free software like microsoft.

We need to see the global situation instead of focus only in language features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe C# is superior in some languages technologies. But java have a lot more of libraries and the Sun implementation is free. Sun does not attack free software like microsoft.</p>
<p>We need to see the global situation instead of focus only in language features.</p>
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