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		<title>This doesn&#8217;t fix everything</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Community Promise thing is nice, but there are still some concerns. One of the problems I am seeing is how useful mono is, if restricted to the standard bits only.

Let&#8217;s say, just for the sake of argument that the standard bits are perfectly safe. I know there still a couple of concerns there, but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Community Promise thing is nice, but there are still some concerns. One of the problems I am seeing is how useful mono is, if restricted to the standard bits only.</p>
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<p>Let&#8217;s say, just for the sake of argument that the standard bits are perfectly safe. I know there still a couple of concerns there, but put them aside for this point.</p>
<p><strong>In Special</strong></p>
<p>One of the things we are hearing is that mono will be clearly split into &#8220;standard&#8221; and &#8220;non-standard&#8221; bits. That&#8217;s great. Another thing we are being told about the non-standard bits is that &#8221;<a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7572426&amp;postcount=68">nobody cares about those &#8211; they aren&#8217;t used for the apps people moan about</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>But</strong>: <a href="http://packages.debian.org/sid/banshee">Banshee needs System.Data and SQLite</a>. <a href="http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/f-spot">F-Spot needs System.Data and SQLite</a>. I believe both of these use ADO.Net, and are in the &#8220;non-standard&#8221; bits camp.</p>
<p>I would suggest that Banshee and F-Spot are <strong>very much</strong> &#8220;apps people moan about.&#8221; (The other two that are hot are Tomboy and Gnome Do, which look alright in this area based on my understanding.)</p>
<p><strong>In General</strong></p>
<p>The problem here I&#8217;m seeing is two-fold:</p>
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<li>The Community Promise has made parts of mono safer. That&#8217;s great.</li>
<li>Some people might not be clear that this is not a blanket over all mono. That&#8217;s not so great.</li>
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<p>If mono proponents want mono critics to acknowledge the Community Promise is a positive step, they need to be honest about its limitations.</p>
<p>If applications are using non-standard bits of mono, it would not be honest to promote them under the argument that &#8220;well, everyone knows mono is safe now.&#8221;</p>
<p>I want to make this point strongly because we have lots of email showing that Microsoft internally, and a high levels, discussed a strategy along the lines of only standardizing enough of .NET to make it look good, but <strong>not</strong> enough to make it actually useful.</p>
<p>If major mono-based applications &#8211; the ones people are pushing to get into distributions <strong>by default &#8211; </strong>rely on these non-standard bits, then the arguments for them are not much affected by the Community Promise and they need to remain optional.</p>
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