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		<title>RMS says promise is &#8220;quite inadequate&#8221;.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ITWire is reporting that rms has made a preliminary statement that &#8220;Microsoft&#8217;s &#8216;Community Promise&#8217; is quite inadequate&#8221;.

It also notes that a FSF statement will be forthcoming.
If rms and the FSF won&#8217;t get behind &#8211; or at least won&#8217;t withdraw opposition to &#8211; mono, then the community will remain divided. The level of flat distrust for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITWire is reporting that <a href="http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=14499">rms has made a preliminary statement</a> that &#8220;Microsoft&#8217;s &#8216;Community Promise&#8217; is quite inadequate&#8221;.</p>
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<p>It also notes that a FSF statement will be forthcoming.</p>
<p>If rms and the FSF won&#8217;t get behind &#8211; or at least won&#8217;t withdraw opposition to &#8211; mono, then the community will remain divided. The level of flat distrust for Microsoft and the level of flat trust for rms are obstacles to big to overcome by any argument I&#8217;ve ever heard Team Mono make.</p>
<p>If I were on Team Mono or Novell and wanted to put things to bed, I would try to get an statement from the FSF on what they want to see that would be satisfactory, instead of straight negative criticism on how the Community Promise is unsatisfactory. A rejection without suggestions is hard to overcome; but a &#8220;checklist&#8221; of things that need to happen provides an opportunity to at least do something constructive with.</p>
<p>I doubt this is going to happen, though. I think we had a chance here to move this thing closer to a resolution, but it seems like it is slipping away.</p>
<p>Team Mono + Novell + Microsoft simply do not have the credibility to overcome a rejection by rms + FSF.</p>
<p>Also: watch the knives come out for rms big time after the statement. I am predicting a blind rage from mono apologists attacking rms every way possible &#8211; and a ratio of 1 valid address of his points :  250 personal attacks.</p>
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		<title>ITWire on the announcement</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam Varghese has his intial thoughts about the news up.

Most of the article is just quoting the Port 25 announcement and Miguel&#8217;s blog. Mr. Varghese does offer us this:
But given that Microsoft often gives with one hand and then takes much more with the other, legal opinion is needed before a definite pronouncement is made.
True [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Varghese has <a href="http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26117/1090/">his intial thoughts </a>about the news up.</p>
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<p>Most of the article is just quoting the <a href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx">Port 25 announcement</a> and <a href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jul-06.html">Miguel&#8217;s blog</a>. Mr. Varghese does offer us this:</p>
<blockquote><p>But given that Microsoft often gives with one hand and then takes much more with the other, legal opinion is needed before a definite pronouncement is made.</p></blockquote>
<p>True enough.</p>
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