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		<title>Banshee not good enough; Gomer Pyle reacts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surprise. Surprise. Surprise.

So, all that claptrap about Banshee being the better player has been proven false. Just like the &#8220;space saving&#8221; and &#8220;Rhythmbox doesn&#8217;t scale&#8221; fallacies. At least in this case, there is a token effort by Mr. Shields to link to the Rhythmbox page. We take what small victories we can.
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<p>So, all that claptrap about Banshee being the better player has been proven false. Just like the &#8220;space saving&#8221; and &#8220;Rhythmbox doesn&#8217;t scale&#8221; fallacies. At least in this case, there is a token effort by Mr. Shields to link to the Rhythmbox page. We take what small victories we can.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2009-July/msg00008.html">a thread on the Rhythmbox development mailing list where they discuss being replaced</a>, including the developer&#8217;s thoughts:</p>
<blockquote><p>&gt; Is it true that the ubuntu team wants to replace rhythmbox with banshee <br />
&gt; on 9.10 version?<br />
&gt; I love your product and i don&#8217;t understand the motivations, could you <br />
&gt; explain me if any?<br />
&gt; Has Banshee some features than Rhytm has not? Something thant you <br />
&gt; couldn&#8217;t add quickly to your player before the 9.10 release?</p>
<p>This is true.  I can&#8217;t find any real information about the motivations behind<br />
it.  The outcome of the decision process (whatever it was, I wasn&#8217;t involved in<br />
any way and I don&#8217;t know how it worked) seems to be that if certain features<br />
are implemented in banshee by some deadline, then banshee will replace<br />
rhythmbox in the default ubuntu install.  There doesn&#8217;t appear to be any<br />
consideration for changes made to rhythmbox during that period.</p>
<p>The only solid information I can find is here:<br />
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/583933">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/583933</a>.  This links to a set of bugs that I assume<br />
must all be fixed for the replacement to go ahead.  I can&#8217;t predict whether they&#8217;re<br />
going to make it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much to say about this issue personally.  I would have liked to<br />
have been involved in the process, and I like to think I would have had some<br />
constructive input, but ultimately it&#8217;s ubuntu&#8217;s decision.  They should ship<br />
whatever software they feel best satisfies the goals of the ubuntu desktop.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I can tell you the motivations behind it. &#8220;Get mono in there&#8221;. That&#8217;s it. Period. Now the justifications for this have moved among:</p>
<ol>
<li><a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7429703&amp;postcount=34">Rhythmbox is bigger-on-CD than Banshee would be</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18932/">Rhythmbox development has stopped</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7389268&amp;postcount=33">Rhythmbox doesn&#8217;t scale</a></li>
<li><a href="http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2073/">Banshee is wanted / Rhythmbox  isn&#8217;t wanted by the users</a></li>
<li>Banshee is the better application</li>
</ol>
<p>All of which are clear lies, with the exception of #5, which is purely subjective.</p>
<p>It seems we are settling on the &#8220;best-of-breed&#8221; as the ultimate justification. This is a good stop if you are on Team Mono, because you can call <strong>any</strong> application the &#8220;best-of-breed&#8221; so long as you are the one that gets to decide what factors make it the &#8220;best-of-breed&#8221;.</p>
<p>I always chuckle around #4; Team Mono is forever chanting &#8220;pragmatism&#8221; and how &#8220;the user doesn&#8217;t care about freedom or principles&#8221;.  Yet it&#8217;s quite clear that the overwhelming majority of users <strong>do not want</strong> Banshee. So, do the users matter or not? It seems to me that how much they matter is in direct proportion to how much they support you on any specific issue.</p>
<p><strong>Seriously though</strong></p>
<p>If you have the technical bent, show some love to Rhythmbox and take a look at the <a href="http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox/developers.html">Developers page</a>. There is a thing called <a href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/keyword-search.cgi?product=rhythmbox&amp;keyword=gnome-love">&#8220;gnome-love&#8221; bugs that are specifically identified as being suitable for newcomers to the project</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Marking a bug with this keyword means that you&#8217;re willing to help someone fix the bug, or that it should be fixable by a beginner without any help. This should ONLY be set by a maintainer or people familiar with the code base, and ONLY when it looks like a project suitable for a new developer looking for a task.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are currently 32 bugs on the list. Maybe there&#8217;s one you can take on? Maybe there&#8217;s one <strong>I</strong> can take on?</p>
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